Judge’s Corner

 

October - November, 2006

 

Tim Gibson

Southern Illinois HRC

P.O. Box 3262

Carbondale, IL 62902

 

I had more trouble writing this article than any I have done for several years.  I knew what I wanted to write about for this issue but my problem was sitting down at my desk to do it.  Many of you know that Kathy and I just lost Dusty, our young black lab.  We buried him two weeks ago this morning as I’m writing these words.  Dusty had just turned four this past May and since he was a puppy whenever I worked at my desk, he was curled up under it at my feet.  Hanging on the wall above my desk is a beautiful framed photo of Dusty and I at the Spring 2006 Grand that Mike Witt sent me unexpectedly.  In it, I’m looking down the barrel of the gun shooting a mark at one of the water series, and Dusty is sitting frozen at my side with his toes curled over the edge of a platform just above the water.  His every muscle is rippling and he’s starring at the mark with the most intense look any lab ever had on its face.  I can’t look at the picture with dry eyes.  HRCH UH Gibson’s Grassy Bay Dusty, who we often called “Mister” because he was such a little gentleman, was a phenomenal hunting and hunt test dog.  He loved people and he loved to train and run tests like no dog we have ever had.  At one of the first few Finished tests he ever ran one of the judges turned to me and said, Dusty is going to be a Grand Champion.  We were looking forward to the Fall 2006 Grand, where we were hopeful Dusty could complete his title.

 

Titles and passes are wonderful, but more importantly to us, Dusty was a loving pet and companion who wanted nothing more than to just be wherever Kathy and I were.  He loved Kathy, but he and I had a bond that is impossible to explain to anyone who has never experienced it.  Dusty ran his last Finished test at Kankakee River HRC 10 days before his death.  A week to the day he died, I ran water blinds with him.  I noticed he would not eat that day.  The next day he could hardly keep food or water down.  Kathy and I were with him until the end and he died in our arms.  A biopsy showed severe hepatic lipidosis.  His liver had failed and from the time he showed the first symptoms we were fighting a loosing battle.  Veterinary pathologists are still trying to determine the cause.  If we learn more, I will put the information on the Judge’s Corner website in hopes it will help others avoid the tragedy we have experienced.    We have lost many older dogs, but Dusty was a young retriever in his prime and his death has hit us like no other.  Kathy and I want to thank everyone in our HRC family for the phone calls and cards and concern and caring you have shown.  Your sympathy and willingness to share our sorrow has helped more than you can imagine. 

 

In the last installment of the Judge’s Corner, I asked a question at the end of each of the two scenarios discussed. The purpose of those questions was to elicit more thought and discussion among handlers and judges on the subjects in the scenarios.  Since that issue hit the mailboxes, I’ve had several folks come up to me and give me their answers to my questions.  Now I’d like to take a few moments to give you my own.

 

The first scenario concerned a Seasoned dog that dropped a mark at the handler’s feet, then went for the diversion.  After delivering the diversion, the dog picked the mark back up and delivered it.  I made the case that this dog should not be failed for not delivering to hand, but should be marked down for the switch.  I then asked, “If a Finished dog had spit a mark out at the handler’s feet, retrieved and delivered another mark, then picked up the first one and completed delivery of it, how would you judge this?”  The answer to this question is as obvious as the nose on your face.  The dog switched and should be failed.  It dropped one bird and picked up another.  If any Finished judge missed this, please send in your judges license immediately.  And there is a lesson here for handlers…a dog must complete delivery, to hand, of the bird it has in its mouth before picking up another bird. 

 

The second question followed the scenario where a handler with an injury who was unable to operate a pump shotgun asked to hold and point an empty gun at the marks.  A designated shooter would be firing a shotgun as the birds were thrown.  I asked, “If the judges allow a designated shooter for a handler, and the shooter is unsafe with the gun, is the dog disqualified?”  To answer this we need to consider both the intent of our rulebook and common sense. At every testing level, under Shotguns / Gun Safety, our rulebook states that “mishandling of firearms will result in immediate disqualification of both the handler and the hunting retriever”.  Immediately preceding this statement is wording describing how a handler must hold the shotgun in a safe hunting position, and how the handler must shoulder the gun, aim track and shoot at the top of the arc of the thrown birds.  It is clear the rulebook penalty of disqualification for the dog is meant to apply when the dog’s handler is unsafe with a gun.  I just don’t see how we can penalize a dog when a designated gunner is unsafe with the gun.  Common sense tells me we would not for instance disqualify a Started dog if a designated Started gunner points the muzzle at a judge.  I’ve got some more to say about gun safety and designated gunners in a test later in this article, but right now, let’s look at our first scenario.  The Finished judges decided to change a test, then declined to offer a re-run to a dog that had failed earlier on it.  The scenario is a little long, for which I apologize, but please bear with me. 

 

Scenario:

 

The Finished land triple was thrown right, middle, left.  The handlers were told they would get a diversion when they picked up the right bird, no matter when that was.  They were told they must pick up the diversion, and then pick up the remaining mark(s), if there were any after picking up the diversion.  The diversion was thrown up the middle and it was often landing as close as 10 yards from the short middle mark.  The handler in question decided to “no” the dog off the right bird and go ahead and pick up the middle bird so he would not have to deal with the diversion and the mark close together.  The handler’s trouble started when the dog wanted to get the right bird.  When sent for the middle bird, the dog tried to split back over to the right bird and feeling he was committed to it, the handler  handled to get the middle one picked up.  The job got done but it was not pretty, with the dog giving him some cast refusals along the way.  The dog then picked up the right bird, got the diversion and picked it up, and ran the blind.  The dog had a couple of cast refusals early in the blind and rather than fight the dog again, the handler called it in, believing he was going to be dropped for lack of control anyway with the combination of poor handling on both the middle bird and blind.  After a few more dogs had run the test, someone advised the judges their test had an “illegal” diversion in it because it came between the marks.  Not true by the way, but the judges decided that for the remainder of the dogs, they would throw the diversion on return of the third mark retrieved. They did not mention anything about re-running any dogs.  The handler in question asked about a re-run.  The judges told him since he picked his dog up on the blind, not the mark, the change didn’t make him any difference and he could not re-run.

 

Question:

 

Should the judges have allowed the handler a re-run? 

 

Answer:

 

We’ve had scenarios involving re-runs in the Judge’s Corner, but usually they have been with regard to a no-bird, gun malfunction or interference in a test.  This scenario allows me the chance to give judges some tips to help them make the right choices when faced with deciding to offer any dogs a re-run when a test is changed.  But before getting to that, I feel compelled to point out some mistakes made in this scenario by both the judges and the handler.  If these mistakes had been avoided in the first place, we would not be discussing the issue of re-running a dog on this particular test.  Let’s start with the judges and what I believe to have been their first mistake, a poor setup. 

 

Obviously, these judges had not read the last couple issues of the Judge’s Corner where I made the case for clean marking scenarios.  I won’t beat that horse again here, but suffice it to say had the judges decided in the beginning to throw the diversion after the last mark was picked up no one would have tried to convince them the diversion was illegal.  If the diversion in this test was not thrown until after the last mark was picked up the handlers would not have to gamble whether it was better to try to get the middle bird out of the way or hope the diversion didn’t cause the trouble they wanted to avoid.  The placement of the diversion could have been improved.  If it had been thrown well away from the area of the fall of the middle bird, like it should have been, the diversion would not have caused the anxiety it did.  And the judges should not have insisted the diversion be picked up before any remaining marks.  I understand why judges desire that diversions be thrown after a particular mark is picked up – to give a handler adequate time to load and shoot.  But a well planned diversion is one where there is ample time for the average handler at the level being tested to load and shoot after any of the marks are retrieved.  I’ve beaten these judges up pretty good on their setup and as you might guess, I have some more to say regarding their re-run decision.  But first, let’s take a look at some mistakes I think the handler(s) made. 

 

It would seem to me that at least one handler would have asked the following question in the test briefing.  If the diversion lands near the middle mark, and the mark is still there, what difference does it make which bird we pick up first?  The judges might have thought about that and after thinking that’s a pretty good question, have replied, “It really does not make any difference” so pick up either one. The big mistake by the handler in question occurred while running his dog, and I’m not speaking of the decision to fight the dog to get the middle bird.  This handler probably should not have picked up his dog during the blind.  Thinking the combination of cast refusals on the right bird, and early in the blind was enough to fail the dog should not have been reason enough to give up and call the dog in.  Often judges understand parts of a test that are causing difficulties and accept lapses in control if they are followed by recovery.  A perfect example is accepting a couple of cast refusals on a point if the dog finally takes a cast off the point and is handled successfully from there on.  And don’t presume because you handled to pick up two birds during the marking test that the dog is going to be failed.  The judges may have a different view of whether the dog reached the area of the fall before being handled than you do.  Or, when they see good dogs being handled to more than one mark, they may realize the test has some flaws in it they did not recognize during setup. The best advice I can give inexperienced handlers is to simply run your dog the best you can until the judges say they’ve seen enough.  I would hope that judges would advise new handlers when they felt a dog was out of control and creating bad habits.

 

 

Now that we’ve gotten all that out of the way, here are my thoughts on offering re-runs when a test has been changed. There is a simple rule I go by, and no, it’s not in the HRC rulebook:  Any time a test is changed; all dogs that were affected by that portion of the test that was changed should get a re-run.  As an example, a dog that comes out of the holding blind and runs up into the Finished test out of control does not deserve a re-run if the judges end up changing the blind.  In a test where a cold blind is run and the dog blows up on it, then later a mark is moved because it was hard to see, the dog that failed on the blind should not get a re-run.  If a blind retrieve location is moved because the handler and judges can’t see the dog then any dog that got out of sight and failed the blind before the move should be offered a re-run.  Seems simple, correct?  Here is where it gets a little tricky.  Judges must be sure that the change they made did not affect any dog they had already failed.  In our scenario, the handler’s request for a re-run was quickly dismissed by the judges because he picked his dog up on the blind.  Did changing when the diversion was thrown, affect this dog’s performance?  I can make a case that it did.  The handler would not have fought the dog off the right bird if he didn’t have to worry about the diversion coming after it and landing close to the middle bird.  If the dog had picked up the marks cleanly, the handler may not have been so quick to call it quits on the blind.  Should the dog have been able to “no” off the right bird, handle to the middle, then still be in control on the blind.  Probably, but we can only speculate how much better the blind control might have been without the handling on the mark.  This dog did not have the same test, nor did it have the same opportunity that every dog had that ran after the diversion was changed.  The dog was affected by the change and meets my personal criteria for a re-run.  Perhaps we’ll spend some more time on this topic in the near future. If you have some war stories about tests that were changed and re-runs either offered or denied I’d be interested in hearing them. Our next scenario occurred at a recent hunt test in the flight I ran and although I witnessed this, I did not talk to the judges about it until after the hunt when one of them sent me an e-mail about the situation.  I’ve never addressed the topic in this column and I hope you find it interesting.

 

Scenario:

 

The afternoon Finished land series included an honor.  The last dog had just completed the working dog portion of the test and the judges called for a “by” dog to run the marks so the last dog could honor.  A young man stepped forward with his dog.  This handler and dog were in the flight and had run the test earlier.   The site marshal was looking for a by dog and some folks in the gallery thought it would be okay for him to get his dog back out.  One of the judges told him it was inadvisable for him to run the dog again and they would find another dog to use. 

 

Question:

 

Do you agree with the judge’s decision, about it being unwise to allow a handler who has run a dog once to come back as by dog?     

 

Answer:

 

For those of you new to hunt tests and not familiar with the term “by” dog, perhaps a brief definition is in order before I proceed with my answer to the question above.  After a dog has run the test from the working dog position, which usually means it’s picked up the marks and a blind, it normally then moves into the honor dog position. Our Finished and Grand rules require that a dog honor the work of another retriever. In essence the honor dog sits and watches the marks thrown for the next working dog.  Sometimes a handler will be asked to shoot while at the honor position, and sometimes the honor dog will be required to pick up a bird in the test.    When all dogs entered in a flight have run the test, a dog is needed at the working dog position so the last dog to run can honor.  This dog is known as the by dog, and it is of course not being judged.      

 

I noted earlier that this scenario took place in the same flight I was in at a recent test.  I had seen the young man get his dog out and walk up to the holding blind, then back again but really didn’t pay much attention beyond that.  One of the two very experienced licensed judges sent me a note explaining what happened. He wanted my thoughts on the situation and had some other questions which I’ll share with you shortly. He indicated their main concern was the possibility that if the handler was unsafe shooting the gun while running his dog as by dog, both he and his dog were still subject to disqualification.  After carefully reading his e-mail I replied that I believe he and his co-judge made the correct call.  I had another reason in mind.

 

The judge noted that he felt the dog had passed the test.  Still, he and his co-judge had not had time to compare their score sheets, so in actuality the jury was still out on the pass/fail determination on the dog.  That being the case, what if this was a bubble dog, i.e., a dog with a marginal performance whose fate could tip either way? How it performed as a by dog might color their final decision.  As an example, if they thought the dog’s control coming to the retrieving line was borderline, and they saw the same poor control as a by dog, even the most unbiased judges might lean toward going ahead and declaring a failure.  As judges, I believe it is simply not wise to allow yourself to be put in that position. 

 

Now let’s address the gun safety concerns.  The judge asked me what would happen to a handler who was unsafe with a gun while running a by dog.  He also wanted me to address gun safety as respects handlers who acted as designated gunners.  This might occur when a handler is shooting for a dog honoring on lead, as well as when a handler who might have other dogs in the flight or at other levels at the hunt is running a test dog.  And while he was at it, the judge asked what sanctions if any does someone other than a handler such as the started or upland gunner, or for that matter a judge who runs a test dog, face at a test for gun safety infractions? This judge had a lot of time to think on his six hour drive home from the hunt!      Let’s see if we can answer his questions.

 

Remember, HRC places responsibility for gun safety at the test site squarely on the shoulders of our judges.  Judges are to instruct handlers as well as anybody else shooting in a test on the importance of gun safety, and the penalties for lack thereof. Handlers can be warned for various infractions such as leaving the safety off or breach closed after setting a gun down, or disqualified for a serious gun safety violation such as pointing the muzzle at somebody or unsafely shooting over the dog.  The point of disqualification is to take the gun out of an unsafe person’s hand for the remainder of the hunt test.  Our rulebook makes no exceptions to these penalties that I can find when a handler is running a dog as either test dog or by dog.  That is certainly something for a handler to think about the next time they decide to volunteer to do either of those. I will say I don’t think a dog that is not being judged can be disqualified.  How about a handler who is just shooting for another handler for some reason?  The rulebook does not address this, but common sense tells me if as a judge I decided a shooter was unsafe, and would have been disqualified had they been the dog handler, I would not want them to come back up to my test and actually handle a dog and shoot again.  I would kindly inform them they can have somebody else run their dog if they still had one yet to run.  Some may argue with me on that point but I would again ask this question.  Why would we want someone unsafe coming back to the test and picking up a gun?

 

That brings us to how to handle designated shooters who are not handlers.  Judges must warn them when necessary, or ask the club to find another gunner if they determine the shooter is unsafe.  I know this is not easy to do, but it is the judge’s obligation and responsibility to remove and replace a gunner who is unable or unwilling to follow instructions and whose unsafe actions place hunt participants in jeopardy. I have asked a club to replace a gunner at an Upland Hunt Test more than once.  I apologize for being repetitive, but get the gun out of that person’s hand. 

 

Finally, what about a judge is who is unsafe with a gun, perhaps while running his own dog as test dog, shooting for a handler, or while carrying a gun around the test site?  I’m not going to surprise many of you with my feelings about this.  A judge who is unsafe should not pick up another gun that day.  Further, I would think said judge would want to apologize for the poor example he set.  Our rulebook does not address this specific issue. It does say in the HRC Judges Code of Ethics on page 26 that judges should to the best of their ability, “Set an example for which future judges and participants will seek to aspire”.  Perhaps this scenario will make judges who routinely decide to participate in the shooting in their tests to think a little more about that.  I hope I’ve given all of you some food for thought.  I’m going to close with something Claudene is always reminding us to do.  It’s a short admonition that has hit particularly close to Kathy’s and my heart as of late.  Please, hug your dogs. 

 

 

 

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