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Judges Corner   December 2004 – January 2005  - from Hunting Retriever magazine

 by Tim Gibson

I received a number of interesting e-mails in response to my last article and the blind retrieve scenarios. One licensed Seasoned judge who is running Finished tests, and I presume is working toward a Finished license had some questions about a particular statement I made in the article.  I had said that if I have determined that the dog’s performance was weak or marginal in the morning, but had not yet warranted a failure, I was looking for a much stronger performance in the afternoon test, and that I think handlers understand and accept this.  The judge asked:  1) Is each blind not a separate test? 2) If they don't fail in the a.m. and they have a similar performance in the p.m., how can they be failed on the blind or blinds?  He added, “I’m not sure all handlers do understand and accept this concept of the 2 blinds being judged as 1.” I had not considered that there might be some misunderstanding about this.  In a nutshell, this is about how judges evaluate marginal dog work, and how they decide when it warrants a passing or failing score, which is perhaps the toughest job judges’ face.   

Our rulebook, page 52, item 32 states;  “With the exception of the Grand Hunts, Judges will evaluate the same dogs on land and water in all multiple flight Hunts”.  We do this to allow judges two opportunities to look at a dog’s performance before rendering their decision. For your information, this was added to our rulebook after clubs started running double flights of dogs and some wanted to leave each pair of judges at one test site and rotate the dogs through it.  I remember Omar speaking passionately at a national meeting that judges need to look at the “total dog” before making their pass/fail decision.    A couple of examples might help explain this:  1) A Finished dog marks only two birds of a triple on the morning test. If this were repeated on the afternoon test the judges would most likely fail the dog for lack of marking ability, i.e. it could not mark a triple.  2) Another example might be a dog that creeps on a couple of birds in the a.m. test.  The judges might have a question mark on their sheets on this, and will no doubt be looking closely to see if this is repeated in the next test.  If the dog improves, i.e. does not creep it will likely be okay.  If it repeats the creeping the judges can feel comfortable saying the dog has a creeping problem and although it did not “fail” either test, the total performance does not add up to a pass.  This same concept applies to the blind retrieve tests.  When a dog has marginal work on both blinds, judges must look at the total performance and decide which sides of the pass/fail line it falls on.  

I’ve got a couple of short, but interesting scenarios to present that actually occurred at recent hunt tests I attended.    I had never seen either situation and immediately knew I wanted to share them with you. 


Scenario: 

The handlers gathered for the afternoon Finished water test were told it would consist of a left to right triple with a blind. An honor dog would be on the left and a working dog on the right.  The honor dog handler was to shoot the first mark out to the left. The working dog handler was instructed to shoot the middle and right birds only, and then fire a shot for the blind retrieve.  One of the judges stated, “If any working dog handler shoots at the first bird thrown, they will be failed for gun safety”.  The test dogs and handlers assumed their positions and signaled ready.  The working test dog was one that had failed on the morning land series.  The working test dog handler was running two more dogs that were still in contention.  You guessed it; the working dog handler shot at the first bird thrown.   

Question: 

Can or should this test dog handler be disqualified for gun safety?

Answer: 

I need to preference my answer with a couple of things.  I ran a total of nine Finished hunts this past fall which would be, let’s see, about eighteen land/water tests.  In over half a dozen the working handler was told not to shoot the first bird thrown, so it would seem it was going around.  Although I’m a big proponent of giving a dog every opportunity to mark a bird, which I feel includes letting the handler point and shoot at the marks, I must give the judges I ran under credit.  I’d have to say the birds the working handler didn’t shoot at in these tests were generally short, very visible, and fell in distinct areas.  My dog had no trouble marking and remembering these birds nor did most others that I recall.  Most were thrown such that if a working dog shot at the first bird, the honor dog would not be in the blast cone.  

I happened to be a handler in the test in this scenario and was standing with the other handlers directly behind the working dog handler when the test dog was run.  I understood why the judges directed that only the honor dog shoot the first bird.  It came from the same bank of the lake the handlers were on and a short throw or a quick shot would have meant that the honor dog handler might be in the blast cone of a shot from the working handler.  In actuality, the bird in question was thrown high and well out into the lake and the working handler made a very safe shot, albeit against instructions.  My first thought when all this happened was it would make an excellent scenario for this column.  My second thought was, I hope I don’t shoot at the first bird thrown!  My third thought was, how are these experienced judges going to handle this as they had obviously boxed themselves into a nice corner with the statement that they would fail any working handler for gun safety who fired at the first bird.  They were faced with disqualifying a handler running a test dog that had two more dogs to run.  

Now I’ll answer the question posed.  Yes, anytime a handler in an HRC test is unsafe with a gun, they should be disqualified, regardless of whether they are running a test dog or a dog in the flight.  There might be a lesson here for multiple dog handlers that volunteer to run test dog.  If you are unsafe with the gun, you won’t be running your other dogs.  Which brings me to this point.  I believe the criterion for disqualifying a handler should be whether they pointed and/or shot the gun in an unsafe direction, i.e., they were actually unsafe with the gun, and not the fact that the handler shot or did not shoot at a particular bird.  This handler did not make an unsafe shot.  The judges apparently realized this, and decided they should not have said they’d fail any handler just for shooting at the first bird because the handler was allowed to continue.  I should mention that I saw a similar test setup at another hunt where a shot at the left bird would definitely be unsafe.  A handler who shot at it was rightfully disqualified.  I happened to be present when this next situation occurred as well.  I can assure you that from the holding blind to the line, I was saying to myself, “don’t shoot the left bird, don’t shoot the left bird, don’t shoot the left bird, …! 


Scenario: 

The Finished land test was run in a large cut cornfield.  It consisted of a triple marked retrieve, a diversion coming on the return of the last mark, and a blind.  The retriever had picked up the marks and diversion and was cast for the blind.  The dog handled reasonably well to the blind, having a bit of difficulty as many dogs did due to the roll of the terrain and the angle to the blind through the crop rows.  When the dog reached the orange blind stake and did not find a bird, the judges both realized the blind had not been planted.  They instructed the handler to “call the dog in”, and from that point things got interesting.  The dog refused to come back to the handler, despite repeated whistles and increasingly loud verbal commands.  The dog ran back to an old fall, then back toward the blind, etc.  After unsuccessfully trying to get the dog to come in, the frustrated handler walked out into the field, leash in hand and caught it.  The handler exclaimed to the judges, “The dog would not come back in without a bird”. 

Question: 

How should this be judged, and did the handler have a legitimate point which might warrant some consideration? 

Answer: 

I covered a scenario similar to this one in the October – November 1997 magazine where I wrote about a blind not being planted.  I concluded in that article that it was generally accepted in HRC that the dog is “given” the blind if it was successfully handled to the blind stake and found no bird.  Probably the most important lesson to come from this article was; handlers should always have somebody in the gallery watching to confirm your blind is planted!  I’m just kidding, but it’s not a bad idea.  This scenario is really not about whether the blind is planted or not.  It’s about what the dog did when the handler tried to call it back to the retrieving line. 

Most often, when judges tell a handler to call their dog in, the dog has failed the test and is being picked up and the test is over. It is however, not unprecedented that a dog is called in that is still okay as was the case here.  I’ve seen dogs called in where a bird has disappeared when thrown into a hole, sunk, or drifted off with the wind.  Further, the handler’s statement about the dog not wanting to return without a bird won’t hold much water.  Consider that Started and Seasoned dogs when called in for a re-cast return without a bird. A Finished dog, which should be under more control, should be able to come in without a bird as well.  By the way, because they asked the handler to call the dog in does not mean the judges had “stopped” the test at that point or stopped judging the dog. Handlers need to understand they are under judgment at all times until specifically told otherwise or until the lead is on the dog and they’ve left the retrieving line.  A Finished dog must respond promptly to voice or whistle commands and remain under control at all times.  This Finished dog should have come back when called.  End of story. 

Hunting season is in full swing for the majority of us.  It’s the time of year when your hard work and long training sessions are hopefully paying big dividends with some great retrieves from your hunting companion.  Have a safe and productive hunting season. 

We hope the “Judge’s Corner” will both entertain and inform you.  

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