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JUDGES CORNER - April / May 1999 -  Hunting Retriever magazine

by Tim Gibson        

            First, for those of you missed the Judge’s Corner in the last issue of the magazine, let me apologize.  Can you say “hard drive crash”?  A word of advice for all you computer buffs.  When you hear the CPU making funny whirling and clanking noises like an old eight-track tape player, it is trying to tell you something.  Can you say “backup”? Two days before my article was due (which co-incidentally was the day before I had planned to write it) I experienced massive and irreparable hard drive failure.  Compounding the problem was the fact that I had an appointment the next day with some ducks on the Grand Prairie in Arkansas.  Since there was only a few days left in the Arkansas duck season, and I had not yet made it there, I abandoned all hopes of completing my article and headed south. My computer went to my computer guru to see what organs were salvageable. This story is similar to the tale of the old bird hunter on his deathbed.  Speaking to his family gathered around him, he told his wife, “I wasn’t always there for our anniversary, or even the births of our kids.  I was always out bird hunting”.  And to his kids he said, “I wasn’t there for your birthdays, or graduations, or weddings because I was always out bird hunting”.  They all asked if he regretted missing all the important events in the lives of his family members.  He said, “No, I killed a lot of birds”! I hope all of you will understand. Enough said.  

            It was exactly one year ago that I first mentioned updating our Judges/Handlers Seminar.  I asked for HRC members to send me photos and/or videos of their dogs either in training or at hunt tests, which might be able to be used in the new seminar.  So far, I have received little to no responses.  I constantly hear people complain they are tired of the old seminar, yet they don’t realize it takes a combined effort to gather sufficient material to effectively update the program. I am again asking for your help.  We are hoping to have the new, improved seminar up and running by the national meeting.   

 In this issue of the Judge’s Corner, we’ll take a close look at two scenarios that may be of interest to you. I’ve also included an updated index of past Judge’s Corner topics. I’m exploring the idea of establishing a web site of Judge’s Corner articles that may help serve as a reference source for judges and handlers. Let’s look at our first scenario.  


Scenario:  

The Finished land test consisted of a working dog and an honor dog on the retrieving line to start the test.  A single mark was thrown, which the honor dog retrieved.  The working dog then ran its blind.  The honor dog retired from the line.  There was no honor on water.

 Question:  

            Was this a legal test?  

Answer:  

            Not wanting to sound like a politician who never answers a question directly, I will save you the suspense and say that in my opinion, this was not a legal honor!  I spoke with several field reps that shared this view. This scenario actually occurred recently at one of our HRC hunts, according to several people who told me about it.  I was informed that the test caused great debate at the hunt. Let’s look at what the rulebook says about the Finished honor requirements, and what is happening in the scenario described above.   

            We all understand that to “honor” means a dog must sit quietly and watch another dog work.  The HRC rule book says: “either or both the marked water retrieve or the multiple marked land retrieve must include an honor,. . . . “ (HRC Rule book, pg. 30, Description). The judges have the flexibility to either let the honor dog simply sit and watch, or allow them to make a retrieve.  At their discretion, they can keep the honor dog on the line until the working dog has completed a retrieve(s), or allow them to leave after the working dog is initially cast for its first retrieve.  It seems clear to me however, that the honor dog must at the very minimum watch a multiple mark being presented in the test, and sit still while another dog is sent to retrieve one of the marks thrown.  

            In the scenario described above, the “working dog” (who has just come to the line) is honoring a single mark thrown for the “honor dog” (who has completed the test, but is really still working because it must pick up the single mark).  Then the “honor dog” watches the working dog run its blind.  I think what we really have in this test scenario is two dogs “working” on the line, neither of which can be called an honor dog according to our Finished rules. Let me ask you this: Do you think it’s more difficult for a retriever to watch a single mark, or multiple marks being thrown, then have to sit and watch while another dog is sent for the bird(s)? Is “honoring” a dog sent for a blind retrieve as difficult as honoring marks?  Which better tests whether a dog will “honor” another dogs work?   

            In the August/September 1997 issue of the HRC magazine I covered another honor situation in the Judge’s Corner.  In that scenario, we asked whether it was okay to position the honor dog where it could see the first two marks thrown but could not see the third mark of a triple because it’s view was obstructed by the working dog handler and some bushes.  In discussion with several of the field reps, we determined that this was acceptable because the honor dog could see at least a double, which is the minimum number of birds required to be thrown at the Finished level.  In that test scenario, if the honor dog could only have seen one of the three birds thrown in the test, I would personally say it was not a legal honor because the dog could not see a “multiple” mark.  In that article, I made the statements:  “Each judge must decide within their own test if they have a valid honor situation set up.  Have they positioned the honor dog so it can see as much of the test as necessary so that they can evaluate whether the dog completed the honor requirements?”  

            Let me offer these personal comments on how you might incorporate the honor into your tests. In the interest of time, I usually attempt to include the honor in the portion of the test where logistically it is most easily added. Remember that you will need a “by” dog for the last dog so plan accordingly. You may or may not let the honor dog “work” in the test.  It depends on the complexity and structure of the test.  If you feel the terrain or cover is not especially challenging to the finished retrievers, you might use the honor to “set up” other portions of the test, as perhaps our judges were doing in the scenario we discussed.  For example, at a recent Finished land test the terrain was flat and open. I and my co-judges let the honor dog pick up the left bird (short, and first thrown) of a triple, while the working dog was returning with it’s first retrieve (far right bird, last bird down). The honor dog was on the left.  Both handlers shot at the first bird (left) while the working dog handler continued to shoot the center and far right bird.  When the working dog picked up the designated far right bird and was returning, the honor dog was released to pick up the short left bird.  This “set up” the center mark, and the blind.  Several working dogs returned with the right bird and insisted on going to the left bird although the honor dog had already picked it up.  Some wanted the left bird after successfully picking up the center mark.  Others still wanted it when running the blind that was placed deep between the first and second marks.  The left bird was thrown purposefully short, to allow the honor dog to quickly pick it up, and give the working dog a good look at it.  Incidentally, for consistency, we did not allow the working dog to go for the middle mark until the honor dog had returned with the bird and the honor handler had taken delivery.  Personally, I always insist on the honor dog handler holding a gun, and I usually have them participate in the shooting if their dog is to make a retrieve.  Remember, it’s important the honor dog exit the retrieving line without disturbing the working dog. One last item.  This might make a good question for the next Judges Test (coming up in a short two years).  Is it okay to include an honor on both the Finished land and water test? I hope our discussion will encourage all of you to talk about the honor requirements with your field reps and fellow judges.   

            Our next scenario concerns shooting the gun at the Started test.  


Scenario:  

            The Started dog handler came to the line and asked to shoot the gun for their dog.   The judges informed the handler that the designated gunner was shooting for every dog.  They would not allow the handler to shoot.  

Question:  

            Were the judges within their rights to not allow the handler to shoot the gun?  

Answer:  

            No!  A Started handler sent this scenario to me which occurred at one of our hunt tests this past year.  I asked the handler if he was sure he was at an HRC test!  I was assured he was, although I can’t imagine this could happen. By their actions in not allowing the handler to shoot the shotgun, the judges were undermining one of the basic principles our organization was founded on: putting the gun in the hands of our handlers.  I think they forgot we are an organization “Conceived by Hunters, for Hunters”.  This is unconscionable! We cannot allow judges at any level to decide they don’t want a handler shooting the gun!  Several years ago, one of our early clubs (who couldn’t decide whether to be affiliated with HRC, or one of the other retriever testing organization) informed our national officers and UKC that they would not be allowing the handlers to shoot the shotgun in their licensed tests.  They were concerned with liability and safety issues, and decided to provide “gunners” at all levels.  They were informed, immediately, that this was unacceptable, and asked to leave our organization.   

            There is only one place in our rulebook that mentions the handler not handling the shotgun.  On page 22, Test Rules, Item II, our rulebook states:  “If the hunting retriever is hand held, the Handler “will not handle the shotgun”.  It’s obvious that for safety considerations, a handler cannot be allowed to hold their retriever and shoot the gun at the same time, hence the rule book wording adopted effective Jan. 1, 1999.  The Started judges in the scenario described may have been worried that the retriever would break.  While it may be appropriate to make sure a handler understands their dog must not break, whether to shoot the gun is the handler’s decision to make.  These judges took that option away from the handler.  As they do when actually hunting, handlers in our tests understand they must assume responsibility when using the shotgun and will be  judged for gun safety at all levels.   

            In all fairness, I can think of one instance where as a judge I might not allow a handler to shoot the gun. That being when the handler may be physically unable to safely operate the gun. I would not allow the handler to attempt to handle the gun with one hand if for example they had a broken arm, etc.  I would, and have in the past made special arrangements for a gunner in those cases. Let me ask this.  Are all our Started judges explaining the gun option to the assembled handlers before the test begins?  Are we putting enough emphasis on properly handling the gun and shooting the marks at the Started level for those handlers who elect to shoot the birds themselves? I hope this scenario was an isolated incident, and upon reflection, the judges realized what they had done. Putting the gun in the hands of our handlers keeps the “hunting” in the Hunting Retriever Club, and keeps HRC head and shoulders above the rest of the retriever testing organizations.              

             We hope the “Judge’s Corner” will both entertain and inform you.

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