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JUDGES CORNER - August / September 1997 - Hunting Retriever magazine

by Tim Gibson  

               If you did not get a chance to attend this years HRC National Meeting in St. Louis, you missed a wonderful opportunity to visit with old friends and meet new HRC members from every region.  A Judge’s Handlers Seminar was held, open to any HRC member who wished to attend.  I believe we had in excess of 50 judges and handlers attend the seminar.   The seminar we hold at the national meeting is very special in that all the HRC/UKC Field Representatives are in attendance.  It is rare that so much judging experience and test set-up knowledge is present at one meeting.  In addition to their participation in the seminar, the field reps have the opportunity to offer their advice and opinions on how we can improve the content and presentation of the judging seminar material to our membership.  I want to thank those field reps who presented a section of the seminar and made the day a very productive and enjoyable one.  

One comment I heard from representatives of every HRC region was we still need to get more of our members to start judging.  Becoming an HRC licensed judge is a lot of work and a big commitment. Those individuals who judge our events are our fellow members who make the sacrifice so we all can enjoy running our dogs.  This issue of the Judge’s Corner is slightly shorter than normal.  This summer seems to be especially busy.  I’ve been spending a considerable amount of time working on some exciting improvements to the Judges/Handlers Seminar which will be announced soon.  Let’s get to our first scenario.  


Scenario:  

The Seasoned land test was a simulated dove hunt. The dogs came to the line and were asked to mark and retrieve a straightforward double using dead pigeons.  After completing the marking test, each  handler was asked to momentarily leave the line with their retriever.  While the handler and dog were “offline”, the blind was planted.  This blind retrieve was placed between the two marked falls the dogs had just picked up.  The handler then returned to the retrieving line, fired a shot at the bird with the dog at heel, and ran the blind retrieve.   

Question:  

Was this a legal test?  

Answer:

Two licensed Seasoned judges set this test up at one of our hunts this past spring.  The hunt committee felt the test might be either illegal or improper and questioned the judges about the scenario.  The judges stated that it was their intent to “see who would go to the old falls”.  In checking the Seasoned Rules and Guidelines in the rule book, the hunt committee found nothing illegal about the test.  Predictably, the majority of dogs went to one or both of the old falls first.  The judges ended up passing every dog who picked the blind up, regardless of how they got there.  While this scenario was not an illegal test, the judges demonstrated a profound lack of understanding of how to set up a Seasoned blind and evaluate the dogs running it.   

Our HRC rule book offers very few guidelines for our judges concerning blind retrieves at the Seasoned level (and no guidelines for blind retrieves at Finished).  These  limited rules and guidelines concerning blind retrieves gives our judges a lot of flexibility in our tests, but make it imperative that judges have a good understanding of the purpose and objective of the blind retrieve.  We discuss the purpose of the blind, and the rules and guidelines for Seasoned blinds in the Judges/Handlers Seminar and offer some recommendations to our judges for setting up a successful blind test.  The first recommendation offered in the seminar is that the Seasoned blind should be run in a direction that is away from the marking test!  Separating the blind from the marks increases the judges opportunity to adequately evaluate the retrievers ability to be controlled “to a bird it has not seen fall”, which is the purpose of the blind retrieve. At some test sites (perhaps a small pond), it is hard for the judges to place the blind away from the marks.  In those instances, it is our recommendation that the blind retrieve be run first, then the marks.  Perhaps I’m missing something, but the judges in the above scenario should explain why they felt they needed to test which dogs would go to the old marked falls.  I’m going to go out on a limb here and offer these judges the following advice: When judging Seasoned, the blind should be set up to test the retrievers ability to do Seasoned blind retrieves!  It would seem to me that they were testing  which dogs were ready to do Finished blind work (albeit at 40 yards),  where running the blind in conjunction with the marks is acceptable. The best judges set up their Seasoned blind retrieve tests to run in the absence of distractions.  Distractions affect the handler’s ability to successfully control the retriever, and the judge has a difficult task evaluating whether the dog was controlled to the blind, or merely stumbled upon it.  Probably the number one distraction for a young dog on a blind retrieve  would be other birds in the field (such as old falls).  Other distractions would include the contour of the terrain, scent from bird boys or crates of birds, changes in cover, field roads across the path of the blind, echo of the gunfire, angle of the bank on a water blind, etc.  Clearly, in this test, having just picked up marked falls in the vicinity of the blind had an adverse effect on  most of the retrievers ability and willingness to respond to commands from their handlers.  By moving the location of the blind, or running it first, these judges would have had a much better test.  Instead of losing the opportunity to properly evaluate the dogs for control, they would have been better able to judge which dogs were performing to acceptable Seasoned standards on the land blind.   Let’s look at another situation.  


Scenario:  

At the Finished land test, the retired working dog was required to honor the next dog running the test.  The honor dog was positioned in a place where it could see the first two marks but could not see the third mark because it’s view was obstructed by the working dog handler and some bushes.

Question:  

Was this a legal test?  

Answer:  

 At the hunt where this situation occurred, a member of the hunt committee questioned whether the test was legal or not.  I was informed that after a “discussion”  which included the two judges, the hunt committee, and the region field rep who was in attendance, the test was declared “legal” (majority ruled), and was run with the honor dog obstructed from seeing the third mark.  The HRC member who sent this letter to me stated that the majority felt the test was legal because they felt the rule about obstructing a dog’s view on the honor was intended to prevent the honor dogs handler only from obstructing the dogs view.  I was asked to “please research and answer this question thoroughly”.   

This is a very interesting scenario, and I want to thank the gentleman who sent it to the Judge’s Corner.  I received this scenario about a week before the national meeting in St. Louis.  My “ research”  involved taking the letter with me and bringing  it up for discussion  in the seminar.  I was certain the field reps would agree that the rule about obstructing the view of the honor dog was not meant to apply only to the honor handler.  I figured the meat of the discussion would center on whether the dog needed to see all the marks, or would two out of three suffice? I had formed my own opinion prior to the meeting.   

 To help answer this question, we need to review the definition of “honor”, and what the rule book states about it.  We know from the Judges/Handlers Seminar that  “honor” means a dog must sit quietly and watch another dog work.  The HRC rule book says: “either or both the marked water retrieve or the multiple marked land retrieve must include an honor,. . . . “ (HRC Rule book, pg. 22, Description) Also, under Test Rules, page 24, Item V., the rule book states: “During the hunting tests, a Finished Hunting Retriever must be required to honor another hunting retriever at or near the retrieving line.  When the Finished Hunting Retriever is honoring, its view of the hunting test cannot be obstructed.”  As I expected, it was agreed that the honor must be part of the marking test, and the obstruction rule on page 24 did not apply only to the honor dog handler blocking the honor dogs view of the test.  An attempt to block the view of the honor dog by the honor dog handler would also fall under the category of sportsmanship.    To properly evaluate a dog on the ability to sit quietly and watch another dog work, the judge should place the honor dog where it can see the throws, and be in a position to watch the other dog attempt to retrieve the marked falls.  Upon further discussion, it was the opinion of the field reps that a good judge would require that the honor dog hold its position at least until the working dog was cast for its first retrieve.  Some judges in attendance said they did not like to excuse the honor dog until the working dog completed a retrieve.  

The rule book does not cover the situation where the honor dog can only see two of the three marks.  After a few minutes of lively discussion, I offered the following personal opinion which seemed to be as logical a solution to the question as any we could find:   First, to properly evaluate the honor dog, let’s try our best to put them in a position where they can clearly see the entire test, including each thrown bird.  Recognizing that in the real world this is not always possible because of test site logistics, then let’s ask that the judges place the honor dogs where they can see a minimum of two marks for a Finished honor.  I went on to offer that “two” is the minimum number of birds you can legally throw a dog in a Finished marking test.  My thought was the rule book requires that the honor be part of the marking test, and a legal marking test is two birds, so let’s ask that the honor dog see at least two of three marks we are throwing.  This answer seemed to address the rule book requirements while still recognizing that it can at times be impossible to position the honor dog to see the complete test.  

The true answer however, is each judge must decide within their own test if they have a valid honor situation set up.  Have they positioned the honor dog so it can see as much of the test as necessary so that they can evaluate whether the dog completed the honor requirement? The recommendations we develop in the seminar and answers to the questions submitted to the Judge’s Corner are our best efforts to guide our Judges in making informed, logical, and fair judgmental decisions.   

We hope the “Judge’s Corner” will both entertain and inform you.

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